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The Big Earner

Post  Stavo on Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:01 pm

The Big Earner
+30% cloak on kill
-25 max health on wearer

The Big Earner is one of the only weapons for spy that I think needs a buff, and I wonder what you guys think about this weapon. Do you think it deserves a buff, or do you like it as it is? And if you think it needs a buff, do you have any changes in mind?

As I stated earlier I think it needs a buff of some sort, and I have something in mind for this weapon. My idea is to give it a similar kill rewarding system like the Eyelander, but instead of losing health you will lose maximum cloak. Then the amount of cloak you have will increase as you collect kills to a maximum of 4.

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The Big Earner
Gives increased max cloak on kill.
-30% max cloak on wearer

Stock knife and Revolver:
10 seconds cloak

L'Etranger & Stock knife:
14 seconds cloak

Big Earner & Revolver
No kills: 7 seconds cloak
1 kill: 9.1 seconds cloak
2 kills: 11.2 seconds cloak
3 kills: 13.3 seconds cloak
4 kills: 15.4 seconds cloak

Big Earner & L'Etranger
No kills: 9.8 seconds cloak
1 kill: 12.74 seconds cloak
2 kills: 15.68 seconds cloak
3 kills: 18.62 seconds cloak
4 kills: 21.56 seconds cloak
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Re: The Big Earner

Post  Brag on Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:19 pm

It defiantly needs another downside than the -25 health. being able to get killed with a single rocket, pipe, sticky is too much of a downside. maybe a 3 sec cooldown after a backstab, making chainstabs harder and forces the spy to either use his gun or escape.

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Re: The Big Earner

Post  Sqrt(-1) on Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:40 pm

I'd say refills all cloak on kill.
That'd be better.
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Re: The Big Earner

Post  SilentNinja on Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:43 pm

Sqrt(-1) wrote:I'd say refills all cloak on kill.
That'd be better.
Which wouldnt change the fact that its useless/unnecessary <.<
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Re: The Big Earner

Post  Sqrt(-1) on Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:37 pm

SilentNinja wrote:
Sqrt(-1) wrote:I'd say refills all cloak on kill.
That'd be better.
Which wouldnt change the fact that its useless/unnecessary <.<
True.
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Re: The Big Earner

Post  PaNissanic on Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:44 am

I have some good up's that could sound good to you guys, but i need help thinking of con's for this.
-Can kill 1 character when cloaked; cloak breaks on kill, and all cloak is reduced (Idk)
-Increased cloak regen rate per
-Increased cloak/ammo(?) on ammo pickup, at the cost of cloak regen/max cloak.
Thoughts?
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Re: The Big Earner

Post  Carlotso25 on Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:00 am

PaNissanic wrote:I have some good up's that could sound good to you guys, but i need help thinking of con's for this.
-Can kill 1 character when cloaked; cloak breaks on kill, and all cloak is reduced (Idk)
-Increased cloak regen rate per
-Increased cloak/ammo(?) on ammo pickup, at the cost of cloak regen/max cloak.
Thoughts?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-

Having the ability to kill someone whilst being completely invisible is cheesy as fucking shit. I do not believe in it. Maybe it'd be fine if it wasn't an instant kill, but it is, so it would encourage suicide spying. The worst part is, it'd be worth it. And imagine the player reaction to this? It would encourage standing with your backs against the walls at ALL TIMES, with nonstop spychecking because you can literally come out of thin air and kill someone. It would break the game.

As for pubs? It'd be stupid to run it imo, you'd just die after every kill if you didn't run it with the YER, so what's the point? lol.


To be honest I think they should just drop the whole cloak idea with the Big Earner. I don't think it's leading anywhere and they should just come up with a new concept. L'Etranger fulfills the cloak changing aspect more than enough and it's perfectly balanced, so they should leave it and think up something different imo.
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Re: The Big Earner

Post  PaNissanic on Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:52 am

Carlotso25 wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-

Having the ability to kill someone whilst being completely invisible is cheesy as fucking shit. I do not believe in it. Maybe it'd be fine if it wasn't an instant kill, but it is, so it would encourage suicide spying. The worst part is, it'd be worth it. And imagine the player reaction to this? It would encourage standing with your backs against the walls at ALL TIMES, with nonstop spychecking because you can literally come out of thin air and kill someone. It would break the game.

As for pubs? It'd be stupid to run it imo, you'd just die after every kill if you didn't run it with the YER, so what's the point? lol.


To be honest I think they should just drop the whole cloak idea with the Big Earner. I don't think it's leading anywhere and they should just come up with a new concept. L'Etranger fulfills the cloak changing aspect more than enough and it's perfectly balanced, so they should leave it and think up something different imo.
In that case, how bout a short buff then? Like, an increase in movement speed or some type of resistance, in exchange for some other downside? Been watching a few mafia movies over a while, and usually the criminal gets away a few times before his end, and since the big earner is based around a knife a member of the Cosa Nostra would use, it makes sense....Then again, DR would be kinda getting a buff...
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Re: The Big Earner

Post  RaF on Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:18 am

You cannot give a knife a downside that would negate stabbing from invisibility.
It would ruin the whole game. You could literally kill anyone you want, then you'd die right after but that's utterly irrelevant if your targets are well chosen.

pls god no.


The whole "+cloak on kill" IMO is useless, the +cloak works with letranger with long range spam but I don't see any way they could make the big earner useful with its current main ability without making it terribly OP.
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Re: The Big Earner

Post  Almaironn on Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:34 pm

Carlotso is completely right, stabbing from cloak is stupid and op
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Re: The Big Earner

Post  SilentNinja on Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:16 pm

Stabbing from Invis = Medic down, 1337 gg ez. For "Buffing" the Big Earner, getting extra Cloak to compensate for the health reduce is not worth in any way.
To "Buff" the knife, it would be extremely interesting to see it working like the YER, but with Invisibility, so stabbing someone instantly cloaks you 100%, downsides are lower health? or lower cloak amount? My thoughts on it, just interesting.
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Re: The Big Earner

Post  Bighomer on Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:46 pm

+65 speed boost on kill Very Happy
Downside? How 'bout minicrits on failstabs, dunno
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Re: The Big Earner

Post  SilentNinja on Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:21 pm

Bighomer wrote:+65 speed boost on kill Very Happy
Downside? How 'bout minicrits on failstabs, dunno
Also quite interesting change, would be something completely new Wink
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Re: The Big Earner

Post  Segno on Tue May 27, 2014 11:10 pm

Bighomer wrote:+65 speed boost on kill Very Happy
Downside? How 'bout minicrits on failstabs, dunno
It would make the scout disguise a hella lot more believable!
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