What does one do on the last point of Badwater on offence?

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What does one do on the last point of Badwater on offence?

Post  Nickolaos on Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:06 pm

I feel like no matter which way you approach Badwater last the options are just too predictable. You can go down the stair well, jump out of map room, drop down from the ledge, or cloak through. But all of these options are too predictable and I find its very hard to do anything at that stage mainly because of the way the engi is usually set up. The enemy team are basically stuffed in a corner and able to see everything.

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Re: What does one do on the last point of Badwater on offence?

Post  Carlotso25 on Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:19 pm

Personally I find last point to be the best point on the map to do things as a Spy on offense.

No matter what, you gotta go for the Sniper. He does so much defending this last, and you should be able to get to him fine if he doesn't rotate nonstop.

If they're holding close to the ramp (which they should) then coming from Tireside with DR and just dropping down from the ledge or using gun a lot is the best imo. You come at them from the side if they're on the ramp, so it's hard for the combo to waste time checking if your team is spamming effectively.

If they aren't holding ramp and are in the corner as you described, then the best you can hope for is an Invis pick on the Engie/Sentry. In that instance, your team just has to pick up the slack and get more aggressive. With the enemy not holding ramp control, your team should be winning spam battles and taking good ubers. In which case, wait till the Uber comes in and time a sap, though of course making sure the Sniper is gone first.

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Re: What does one do on the last point of Badwater on offence?

Post  Selek on Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:33 pm

If you don't see an opportunity, use the IW/CnD, call stuff for your team and wait for the push to coordinate a sap.

Most payload lasts are quite cramped. Sometimes there are solo picks to get, like Sniper on top left or top right. But if not, coordinate a suicide play or wait for your team to have a distraction.

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Re: What does one do on the last point of Badwater on offence?

Post  Isil on Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:35 pm

Mainly sniper on top left, but you can try to take down engie+sentry or combo with C&D.
There are two options.
1) Combo is waiting in the shadow corner on left with sentry. Observe their movement and try to sneak behind them, decloack at the opposite corner of the dispenser and try to get engie or med. you can oslo drop down from top and sap (coordinate with your mates)
2) sentry is bottom left near the red spawn. Ask to your solly to spam the sentry from maproom and backstab engie+sap.
You can aslo try to get the medic in the slope on right, Observe their spycheck pattern and decloack below maproom.

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Re: What does one do on the last point of Badwater on offence?

Post  Sneaky on Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:14 pm

I like focusing the flank if they retake map room or tyres, if not focusing the sniper or co ordinating saps is useful too.

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Re: What does one do on the last point of Badwater on offence?

Post  PaNissanic on Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:32 pm

Always focus the sniper, especially if he's alone. Another is to call and coordinate saps with your team on CnD. If the pyro is baby sitting sentry, go for a pick on combo.

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Re: What does one do on the last point of Badwater on offence?

Post  Sneaky on Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:50 am

PaNissanic wrote:Always focus the sniper, especially if he's alone. Another is to call and coordinate saps with your team on CnD. If the pyro is baby sitting sentry, go for a pick on combo.

Just saying usually the combo and sentry are pretty much on top of each other

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Re: What does one do on the last point of Badwater on offence?

Post  PaNissanic on Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:05 pm

Sneaky wrote:
PaNissanic wrote:Always focus the sniper, especially if he's alone. Another is to call and coordinate saps with your team on CnD. If the pyro is baby sitting sentry, go for a pick on combo.

Just saying usually the combo and sentry are pretty much on top of each other
Shit, i meant to take the flank classes so you could free up space for your other team mates. Sorry, i'm still getting adjusted to new time zones.
But yeah, generally focus classes that are out of position/alone, and sometimes i would gunspy when the sniper is down so you can shift focus and force someone to look or shoot at you.

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